Bob Dylans Boxing Addiction

Bob Dylans Boxing Addiction

Bob Dylan owns the complex that includes The 18th Street Coffee House in Santa Monica. It has or had a gym in the back. Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini trained Bob Dylan there. In Ray’s word’s “Bob has his own private gym. Best gym I’ve ever been in. On the wall there are pictures of Joe Louis, Ali, Frazier, Muddy Waters, the Rolling Stones. The heavyweights of boxing and music. First time I was over there we were sparring and just to keep him honest I would tap him with a left or right.

After a couple of rounds,

Bob said, – ‘Hey Ray. Could you take it a little easy on the head? I have a few songs left in there.’

– I was like oh no—are you kidding? Sorry.

But he was only joking. He wasn’t real fast or strong but he had his own way of moving and could get it done. Afterwards, we would always sit around and talk about the fights. He really knows his boxing. He loved Benny Leonard, Carlos Monzon, both Ali and Frazier.”

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THE FIRST RULE TO NOTE AT BOB DYLAN’S BOXING club is “Don’t talk about it.”

Membership is invitation only. There’s no sign to announce the place, which sits in the basement of the 18th Street Coffee House in Santa Monica.

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The business permits for both establishments, as well as one for an adjacent synagogue, are in the name of his manager, Jeff Rosen, who doesn’t want to talk about it. (“I know nothing about that…. Can’t you find something more interesting to write about?”) The wild-haired baristas at the coffeehouse don’t want to either. “It’s a secret,” an ex-waitress says of Dylan’s ties to the block.

Of course, half the Westside will tell you Dylan owns the boxing club. The performer’s even been spotted here a few times recently. The gym exists as his secret garden of sorts, a shrine to the sport in which Dylan has had a long-abiding interest.

He recorded “Who Killed Davey Moore?” in 1963, after the featherweight champion died from injuries sustained in the ring. In 1964’s “I Shall Be Free No. 10,” Dylan sings, “I was shadowboxin’ early in the day / I figured I was ready for Cassius Clay.” Then came “Hurricane,” which helped overturn pugilist Rubin Carter’s murder conviction; Denzel Washington starred in the Hollywood account of his life.

Inside the fluorescent-washed gym, there’s nary a whiff of the shabby, smoky grandeur of typical urban boxing dungeons. But Dylan’s presence is all around. As the resident trainer, David Paul, gives a tour of the space, ignoring all the Dylan artifacts–beginning with the photos of Larry Bird and Michael Jordan signed “To Bob” in the reception area–can have the effect of pretending to ignore a fuchsia elephant sitting on your lap.

 

18th Street Coffee House in Santa Monica
18th Street Coffee House in Santa Monica

 

Where is Bob Dylans Private Gym ?

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ROCK LEGEND BOB DYLAN HITS ST. LOUIS BOXING GYM
By Doveed Linder

Earlier this week, Sweat/Pound 4 Pound Gym in St. Louis received a visit from music legend  Bob Dylan. In town for a concert, the legendary singer-songwriter and his band stopped in the gym for a boxing workout.  At age 71, Dylan is still rockin’ and rollin’ and hitting the heavy bag.  This was Dylan’s second visit to Sweat in four years, as he is known to look for local boxing gyms when on his “Never Ending” tour traveling from town to town.  Dylan knows a bit about boxing and wrote two of the best boxing songs ever: “Hurricane,” which was about the wrongful imprisonment of ex-middleweight contender Rubin “Hurricane” Carter, and “Who Killed Davey Moore?” which pinpoints everything wrong with the sport of boxing.  Dylan’s song “Forever Young” was quoted by Howard Cosell in the final moments of the broadcast of Muhammad Ali’s late-career victory over St. Louis’ Leon Spinks.  Boxingtalk’s Doveed Linder, a trainer at Sweat, was offered tickets to Dylan’s concert, but was unable to attend because he is preparing fighters for the local Golden Gloves Tournament.

 

Who is Ray Mancini (Boom Boom Mancini)

Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini (born Raymond Michael Mancini; March 4, 1961) is a retired American boxer. He held the World Boxing Association lightweight championship from 1982 to 1984. Mancini inherited his distinctive nickname from his father, veteran boxer Lenny “Boom Boom” Mancini, who laid the foundation for his son’s career.

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Performed once in Seattle from those strange days of 2002, Bob’s cover of Warren’s biography of the tragic boxer is my favorite of the lot. Echoing Bob’s own ‘Who Killed Davey Moore?’, it tells the tragic story of Mancini and his amazing career as the lightweight champion only to end up ‘killing’ Duk Koo Kim in the ring. Falling into a deep depression thereafter Mancini was forever scarred. in the succeeding months, both the referee and his own mother committed suicide possibly due to the complicated feelings of the event.
The song is sung as a fan hurrying home to watch Mancini’s comeback fight with Bobby Chacon, Mancini’s last before retiring forever from professional boxing.

 

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Boxing Gym is part of The Brazil Series, a new collection from Bob Dylan which sees Dylan developing as an artist, and allows us a greater insight into his history and future.
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Bob Dylan visits Manny Pacquiao

Boxing legend Manny Pacquiao was training at Wild Card Boxing Club in Los Angeles on Thursday, prepping for his highly anticipated upcoming rematch with WBO welterweight champion Timothy Bradley, when he was visited by a special guest: Bob Dylan. “He called ahead and showed up with a friend,” says Fred Sternburg, a spokesperson for Pacquiao. “I’ve never seen the place take an aura like this, and I’ve been going to that gym for nearly a decade. We were all awestruck.”

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Bob Dylan visits Manny Pacquiao

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November 7, 1988, Bob Dylan Went To The Sugar Ray Leonard Vs. Donny Lalonde Boxing Match – Nevada

Bob was given a free ticket to this fight by Lalonde, who lost the WBC light-heavyweight title to Sugar Ray Leonard early on. Did you know, Donny Lalonde is a fan of Bob Dylan’s music, and had an autographed photo of the musician at his training camp in Lakeville, Pa. In the photo below, Bob can be clearly seen in the crowd during the coverage, right between the fighters in this case, as Leonard lands one of the final punches.

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Rubin ‘Hurricane’ Carter

 

Rubin ‘Hurricane’ Carter, Boxer Who Inspired Bob Dylan, Dies at 76

Carter and a man named John Artis had been charged with a triple murder at the Lafayette Grill in Paterson, New Jersey in 1966. The following year Carter and Artis were found guilty of the murders, which were widely reported as racially motivated. In the years that followed, a substantial amount of controversy emerged over the case, ranging from allegations of faulty evidence and questionable eyewitness testimony to an unfair trial.

In his autobiography, Carter maintained his innocence, and after reading it, Dylan visited him in Rahway State Prison in Woodbridge Township, New Jersey.

Bob Dylan Visits Hurricane Carter

“Dylan had written topical ballads such as “The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll” and Bob wasn’t sure that he could write a song [about Carter]… He was just filled with all these feelings about Hurricane. He couldn’t make the first step. I think the first step was putting the song in a total storytelling mode. I don’t remember whose idea it was to do that. But really, the beginning of the song is like stage directions, like what you would read in a script: ‘Pistol shots ring out in a barroom night…. Here comes the story of the Hurricane.’ Boom! Titles. You know, Bob loves movies, and he can write these movies that take place in eight to ten minutes, yet seem as full or fuller than regular movies”.

After meeting with Carter in prison and later with a group of his supporters, Dylan began to write “Hurricane”. The song was one of his few “protest songs” during the 1970s and proved to be his fourth most successful single of the decade, reaching #33 on theBillboard chart.

Who Killed Davey Moore
Why and what’s the reason for?

David S. “Davey” Moore (November 1, 1933 – March 25, 1963) was an American featherweight world champion boxer who fought professionally 1953–63. A resident of Springfield, Ohio, Moore was one of two champions to share the name in the second half of the 20th century. The second, Davey Moore (born 1959) boxed during the 1980s.

Moore died on March 25, 1963, aged 29, as a result of injuries sustained in a match against Sugar Ramos.

Following Moore’s death, the morality of boxing was debated by politicians and religious leaders alike. Folksinger Phil Ochs’ song “Davey Moore” offered a harsh criticism of the sport and those affiliated with it. However Dylan’s song delivered a more indirect message and a message that transcended the arena of boxing to include the enveloping society. In his typically ironic fashion, when Dylan introduced “Who Killed Davey Moore” during his October 31, 1964 show, he addressed the crowd:

This a song about a boxer…
It’s got nothing to do with boxing, it’s just a song about a boxer really.
And, uh, it’s not even having to do with a boxer, really.
It’s got nothing to do with nothing.
But I fit all these words together…
that’s all…
It’s taken directly from the newspapers,
Nothing’s been changed…
Except for the words


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Fight to the Death: Who Killed Davey Moore? byDavid Davis

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And bob dylan and muhammad ali

I was shadow-boxing earlier in the day
I figured I was ready for Cassius Clay
I said “Fee, fie, fo, fum, Cassius Clay, here I come
26, 27, 28, 29, I’m gonna make your face look just like mine
Five, four, three, two, one, Cassius Clay you’d better run
99, 100, 101, 102, your ma won’t even recognize you
14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, gonna knock him clean right out of his spleen”

From “I Shall Be Free No. 10,

 

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Bob Dylan with Muhammad Ali backstage after The “Night of the Hurricane” at Madison Square Garden. The last night of the Rolling Thunder Revue Tour.

 

When I went to see Dylan and the Band at Nassau Coliseum on January 29, 1974, the news of the day – besides Dylan’s area concerts – was Ali defeating Smokin’ Joe Frazier at Madison Square Garden the previous evening, the second of their three famous bouts.

Less than two years later, on December 8, 1975, it was my turn to see Ali – and Dylan – at Madison Square Garden. I was fortunate to witness (with binoculars) Ali speak at the Rolling Thunder Revue’s “Night Of The Hurricane” concert to benefit imprisoned boxer Rubin “Hurricane” Carter.

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Bob Dylan and Box

“April 2008. I am trying to figure out what to do next with my life. I have spare time and head to Richard Lord’s Boxing Gym on  Lamar Boulevard in a stinky old warehouse behind a Goodwill. It’s 2:30 in the afternoon, the sky is dark and cloudy and no one is there.

I lift the warehouse garage door entrance, sign in on a moribund clipboard on an old nightstand stuffed into the corner. Richard Lord was a fairly successful welterweight boxer who opened this gym many years ago, and like all real boxing gyms, it is never clean, nor is it  ever cleaned. Unwashed hand wraps redolent of the years of sweat and grit hang from clothes lines. Ten heavy bags in varying sizes, many with the stuffing literally beat out of them and then duct taped back in hang wherever they fit. There are two twenty by twenty-foot rings, the ropes loose and sloping, the canvas spattered with dried blood and God knows what else.

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CASSIUS CLAY, HERE I COME: BOB DYLAN AND BOXING

Back in 1961, a record exec named Lou Levy took Bob Dylan to Jack Dempsey’s restaurant on 58th and Broadway in New York to introduce the folk musician to the legendary boxer. Dylan recalls the encounter in his 2004 autobiography, Chronicles, Volume One.

Dempsey sized up the young man and shook his fist at him. “You look too light for a heavyweight kid, you’ll have to put on a few pounds. You’re gonna to have to dress a little finer, look a little sharper—not that you’ll need much in the way of clothes when you’re in the ring—don’t be afraid of hitting somebody too hard.”

“He’s not a boxer, Jack,” Levy corrected the champ. “He’s a songwriter and we’ll be publishing his songs.”

“Oh, yeah, well I hope to hear ‘em some of these days,” Dempsey replied. “Good luck to you, kid.”

The advice wasn’t quite as useless as Levy thought at the time. Dylan actually was a bit of a boxer in his spare time, and although the sartorial tips clearly didn’t stick, the part of about not being afraid to hit too hard has served him well in the half century since.

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The Good Son: Mancini, Mayweather, and Dylan

Many celebrities suffer from a kind of narcissism that renders them more rather than less incapable of enjoying a conversation with anyone who is not on the A-list at Sardis. Ray Mancini is not one of them. Far from it, he is always open and generous with his time.

I was privileged to speak with Ray today. After discussing the documentary about his life, “THE GOOD SON,” a film based on his compelling autobiography bearing the same title, I asked the former champ how he might have approached a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Read More : https://www.boxing.com/the_good_son_mancini_mayweather_and_dylan.html

Rsources :

https://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=123478

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_(Bob_Dylan_song)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davey_Moore_(boxer,_born_1933)

https://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=24750

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  1. Glad to have a great artist as Bob Dylan interested
    In the boxing sport.
    Wonder if he has ever been to any of my fights in the late 70’s

    • its a pleasure to see you in here Danny “Little Red” Lopez ,I know you are featherweight world champion , we are waiting Bob Dylans answer impatiently …
      please send u a photo share in this page, thank you

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